In the previous post on the Omega Constellation Manhattan I paid homage to the creator of this great symbol of nineteen-eighties design, Carol Didisheim.
In this essay I explore the design code and the horology of the Manhattan and identify an early mechanically powered version that is both uncommon and worth collecting.
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Hi Desmond, first may I thank you for your invaluable blog which I have referred to many times. I've just purchased a Constellation auto chronometer - the one with the display back, serial number 47xxxxxx which dates to approx mid-eighties. It's the second generation manhattan. I am puzzled becasue it appears to contain a calibre 1109? Was this ever used in this watch/case? Your help would be appreciated.
ReplyDeleteHi John,
DeleteYes both cal 1109 (later) and 1111 appeared in second gens. More common to see a 1109.
Regards
Desmond
My apologies Desmond - my typing was faster that my brain - I meant to type a cal 1110 with serial no.47xxxxxx. It's not mentioned in the Omega database but then I know that is not a comprehensive guide? Is it possibe a few of movements made it into this watch around 1984/5/6? The seller I bought from says he purchased it second hand in the US. A genuine watch or a case of the movement being replaced? Again sorry for the error - I have read your articles on the Manhattan!
DeleteRegards, John.
Hi John,
Delete1110 is not a chronometer grade movement and is usually found in other Omega models, like Seamaster, of the time.
Usually the calibre number is engraved on the rotor and if so you may have had a rotor swap on the watch. This is not uncommon as wear or dropping the watch can damage the rotor post.
The only way to really establish if it is a simple rotor swap is to request an extract from Omega archives.
Cheers
Desmond
Hello. I wonder if you could help. I have just come into what I think is a 1984 / 1985 omega constellation manhatten with the Bahrain crest on it. Trying to find out a biy more about it? its metal and 18ct gold i believe.
ReplyDeleteQuite often these presentation watches surface. It should have a model number and other markings st amped on the reverse
DeleteLet me know the numbers and I can tell you more
Cheers
Desmond
Dear Desmond, this is an amazing essay thank you . i ebeleive there is a small typo 'the calibre 1481 Manhattan in case 398.0866' - this should read calibre 1431. many thanks for your amazing work.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your note. I'll put a correction in when I get a moment
Deleteregards
Desmond
Hello could u tell me please I am looking at buying the omega constellation 1422 it has a serial number 1980136.then 3980861 underneath is this the correct movement for this watch it's stainless and 18ct gold
ReplyDeleteI think you may find that the model number is 3980864. This was the original Manhattan styled case with the calibre 1422 quartz movement.
DeleteIf you can provide a link to the watch, either by posting here or through the email function in my profile, I can take a closer look for you
Cheers
Desmond
Hi could you tell me if omega ever released a constellation model that said only quartz under the constellation on the dial ? I’ve seen some that have constellation chronometer then quartz
ReplyDeleteThe short answer is yes. As the Quartz tsunami overtook the mechanical watch it became self-evident that all Omega quartz movements would meet or exceed chronometer specifications. Hence, they did not have to be submitted to COSC for certification.
DeleteYou will see some early versions of some models with the "Chronometer" appellation, and in later version of the same model it is not present.
Hope that answers your query.
Cheers
Desmond