Omega Seamaster Golden Chronometres




Why the dickens would a site dedicated to the veneration of Omega Constellations run a feature on Omega Seamasters?

Well, these are very special Seamaster Chronometres: the rarest of the rare. Until recently, no examples of BA 168.023 had surfaced for more than ten years.

Please click here for a review of these magnificent beauties

61 comments:

  1. Anonymous8:07 am

    Thank you for the information on the Omega Seamaster Golden Chronometres.

    I have a CD168-023 that was purchased new by my father. Information on this watch has been difficult to find.

    Howard

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  2. Hi Howard

    Youre welcome!

    If you want me to add a picture of it to the article, please email me.

    Regards

    Desmond

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  3. Anonymous4:54 pm

    I ran across your website the other night and it is awesome! The best I've seen for information on identifying fakes. I've just started my interest in collecting vintage watches and was immediately drawn towards the Constellations. You have already saved me big money on fakes I might have otherwise persued. Now when I look at E-bay I am amazed at what appears to be many fake Connies and Seamasters listed and bringing the dollars. Do you know of any websites that cover fake vintage Seamasters in the detail that you provide your readers?
    Keep up the great work!
    Marvin

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  4. Hi Marvin

    Thanks for your comments

    With Seamasters I would start at Chuck Maddox's Seamaster articles at

    http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/cm3articles.html#OtherOmega

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  5. puru63@gmail.com11:17 pm

    Hi Mondodes

    I have cal. 751 CD 168.023, cal.560 KL 6312, Cal. 354 2648, Cal. 504 constellations and many other rares. will send photograph after some times now days I am not in hometown for 1 month on my return will post and share my collection with our community.

    Puru

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  6. Anonymous9:19 pm

    Desmond,
    Thank you for adding the picture of my SM.751 to your excellent article on these superb watches. I am amazed that almost every time I wear it some person who I know is not watch aware comments on what a beautiful watch it is. Although mine is not 18k gold it is nevertheless a special addition to my Omega stable and a pleasure to have and use.
    Thank you again for your wonderful blog.
    best regards, JohnH.

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  7. Anonymous9:02 am

    Hi Desmond,

    I have a nice Seamaster in Stainless Steel that bought in eBay a little over a year ago, could send you the pictures if you want to add a SS example in as new condition,

    Hector

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    1. Thanks Hector, happy to include it when I update the essay.

      Regards, and thanks for the offer.
      D

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  8. Anonymous7:17 pm

    Hello, Desmond,

    I have just acquired an 18k yellow gold Seamaster 751 with leather strap, all in apparently almost NOS condition. I have not yet opened the case, so I cannot provide any serial numbers or even verify that it is a 751, but it came from a reputable dealer. The dial and all the other details check out EXCEPT that it has a non-luminous dial (no T symbol), but it is fitted with Luminous hands which have both a short black inlay and luminous inlay near their ends. I have studied many pictures and everything looks genuine - the dial passes the MOY test etc- but I am not sure about the combination of a non-luminous dial with luminous hands?? The minute hand also just reaches the inner ends of the minute markers, where other examples show that they tended to be a bit shorter - hour hand likewise, But the style of the hands is exactly like all others.


    (see ebay Item: 120934792687. I am not the original buyer from this listing, though)

    Any comments appreciated

    Thanks you.

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    1. Hi,

      Yes, I've seen this piece before. I think its not bad at all. A couple of things that need to be addressed though.

      I think the hands have been replaced because these pieces were either luminous or not, and if luminous then the T marks applied. The other issue I have is the different colours of the day and date rings. The darker colour is original on the day ring, but it looks to me as though the date ring has been replaced.

      Overall, very tidy, but just a couple of niggles as mentioned above.

      Regards

      Desmond

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    2. Anonymous10:13 pm

      Hello, Desmond,

      Thank you for the quick reply. I also had noted the colour varaition between the day and date rings, but after searching through a number of google images, I found others with the same variation: for example: http://www.omega-watches-expert.com/omega-seamaster-day-date.html

      However, that's not to say that these haven't been changed either.

      My concern is whether this watch could have been created from NOS parts, as I noticed quite a few Omega watches appearing on the bay recently in this "NOS" way - even bought one, and it's perfectly good, if not completely origonal? Although I was informed that the former owner of this particular 751 - a watch collector - had had it for 15 years.

      I guess the only way to be sure is to provide the serial numbers or watch to Omega?

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    3. Hmm, yes I accessed that page. I still think that to be 'correct' it needs even colouring - most of the examples I've seen over the years are consistently even.

      I dont think it is a NOS make-up, as these cases are made from a solid block of gold and I've never heard of spare cases being around. I think you can be confident of its originality, but it would be worth having an extract anyway to add to its provenance.

      Regards

      Desmond

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  9. Anonymous7:00 am

    Hello Desmond!

    I have a seamaster 168023 and I don't know what kind of crown was used by the omega factory in this model. My watch has a omega crown but I think that it isn't the original.

    Could you help me? Thank you.

    Regards!

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    1. The crown that fits your 168.023 is 8100/1501Y-8100/3081Y. They are round crowns with a flat end. Still available.

      If your crown is different to those shown in the essay, then it would not be factory original but an Omega part replacement.

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    2. Hi Desmond,

      Could you tell me how I can acquire the appropriate crown for the watch? I was lucky enough to find a pristine ST 168.023 but the crown is unoriginal...

      I'd love to share some pictures of the watch too -- she's a beauty.

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    3. John you should be able to source a crown from Frei & Borel. Just do a search with the case number and add crown to the search.

      How about posting some pics on OmegaForums and we'll all have an ogle.

      Regards

      Desmond

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  10. Anonymous4:18 am

    Thank you very much Desmond!

    Do you have somepics of the crown? I'm looking for but I don't find it.

    Regards!

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    1. Yes, just click on the essay which will show various angles of watches with correct crowns.

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  11. Anonymous6:41 am

    Hi again!

    On the essay I can't see the front and the rear part of the crown. I'm looking for on the omega list of vintage crowns and I don't find the reference.

    What do you want to say with flat end? Do you know the diameter of the crown and if it has gasket and tube (diameter)?

    I'm sorry. I'm lost.

    Regards!

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    1. Yes the tube diameter is 2mm.

      I dont have any specific pics of the crown separate, but the watch ref 168.023 should be enough info to order a crown. Frei & Borel have them.

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  12. Anonymous7:21 am

    Thank you Desmond!

    Another questions. Which is the crown diameter? Does the crown have gasket? What do you want to say with flat end?

    Regards!

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    1. Yes the crown is a hermetic crown (with built in Gasket). By flat end I really mean non-domed (or bowler hat) end.

      Diameter of original crowns is around 3.95mm

      cheers

      Desmond

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  13. Anonymous8:12 am

    Hi Desmond!

    Have you received my last comments?. Is all right?

    Regards!

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    1. Hi, yes I've been away on a break.
      Theres isn't a lot more I can add in terms of information.

      The best piece of info is the case number as it can be matched to the correct crown then.

      Regards

      Desmond

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  14. Anonymous7:12 pm

    Hi Desmond,
    Thank you for your “Rare Golden Seamaster” report. I have read it many times because I have an Omega Seamaster Cal. 751, Case CD 168.023 gold capped on steel that my mother bought for me for my 21st birthday in April 1972. See the original Customs Receipt attached. I wear it daily so it has a few nicks and scratches on the case. It was in for a complete servicing by Swatch(Omega) in October 2003. It keeps good time but does lose aproximately. 1 Minute per day. I need a new strap every two years. I have an automatic winding case to keep it going when I take it off at night. After 10 years the crystal was in very bad condition with very deep scratches and rub marks. It now looks like new after using “never dull” polish wadding on it this year, a tip from http://www.old-omegas.com/ that I can fully recommend.
    I do not have any good pictures but I am working on it. My cheap digital camera cannot compare with your very professional pictures. The scans attached were done on a photocopier.

    Greetings from the Black Forest
    John
    PS. Have you seen this one!!:
    http://www.ebay.de/itm/Solid-18kOMEGA-SEAMSTER-Day-Date-Automatic-Watch-1970s-Cal-751-EXLNT-SERVICED-/261156002657?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item3cce1c5b61

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    1. Hi John

      I replied to your email but it bounced back saying "mailbox not available"

      What an excellent 21st gift and for it to have kept going since 1972 is a testament to how robust these cal 751 movements are. I really like the strap on yours - the ribbing on the edges makes a strong statement.

      I still mourn the loss to burglars of my 18k 168.023 given to me when I matriculated (gained university entrance) in 1968 when I was 17, and the later acquisition of another one doesn't lessen the regret :)

      I would expect, John, that after nine years from the Omega service the loss of 60 seconds a day is a hint that the movement needs to be dis-assembled, cleaned and oiled. If the lubricants dry or migrate you can get wear. I would be inclined to source a local watchmaker who knows his way around Omegas and get him to give it a service. Some movement parts are now getting scarce and the occasional clean and oil, to me, is good insurance.

      Thanks for the tip about 'Never Dull'. I will look around for that as I am always polishing crystals of one watch or another.

      And thanks also for sharing your example and the story behind it.

      Re ebay 168.023, someone else emailed me about this necause the case back has 166.032 stamped and another number which may indicate a replacement case back. Looks good but the case back markers would need to be verified by Omega to indicate a genuine member of the 1000 Golden Seamasters produced. I think thats why the price is lower than expected.

      Regards

      Desmond

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  15. Anonymous4:21 am

    Hi Desmond.

    I'd like to know if hour markers, hands and omega logo are gold in 18K version.

    Regards.

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  16. Anonymous7:27 am

    Hi Desmond long time no speak, can you answer me this please I am looking at a beads of rice in 18k good to exlnt condition what are they worth these days?

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  17. Depending on length and weight of bracelet, around the 4.5k mark methink

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    1. Anonymous5:31 am

      Hi Desmond thank you for the info, I let you know how I go.
      Best Regards
      Will

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    2. Anonymous5:37 am

      Got it thanks for the info
      Will

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  18. Anonymous7:01 am

    Hello Desmond.

    My seamaster's gold case back is stamped with the references 166032 and 168023. Is all right? Its cal. is a 751.

    How can I know if the dial is gold?

    Thank you!

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    1. The correct, the two numbers usually appear on the 18k case backs.

      Probably, the only way to tell if your dial is 18k is to ask a watchmaker to check the markings on the back of the dial when the watch is being serviced.

      Some of a later batch had the stamp OM near Swiss made which indiucates the dial is 18k.

      Cheers

      d
      Desmond

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  19. Anonymous2:28 am

    Hello Desmond.

    Do you think this omega will increase its value in the future?

    Best regards.

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    1. Since posting this essay around three years ago, maybe more, I have seen the value of pieces in very good condition appreciate around 30%

      Regards

      Desmond

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  20. Anonymous7:35 am

    Hi Desmond.

    I write again. This time is for reporting a seamaster golden "frankenstein" for sale.

    Here is the watch: http://www.chrono24.com/en/omega/perfekte-vintage-seamaster-dresswatch-einzigartig--id2595374.htm

    Wrong hands and caliber. You can see a 752 in the photos.

    Seller says pink gold case but the caseback is stainless steel.

    Regards.

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    1. Yes, I actually think this watch is a 166.032, which is the non-chronometer version powered by a calibre 752 with the same case type. It clearly is a franken and I suspect a genuine 168.023 dial has been installed in order to deceive....by whom I don't know.

      Also it is claimed the case is pink gold, and by that we generally assume solid pink gold, and yet we both know is is a stainless case capped on the lugs with 14k pink gold.

      The price for this piece is outrageous and the seller, Invest-Watch GmbH Friedrichstraße 73033 Göppingen Germany should know better.

      The watch in its current state is worth nothing near...maybe 300 USD for the dial and 500.00 for the rest. I would avoid this seller.

      Regards

      Desmond

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  21. HI Desmond,
    Thank you for your wonderful insight of the omegas.
    I have just dropped of my late grandfather's 1970 seamaster to get overhauled.
    It was give to him at his retirement by the Danish Police department in 1971.
    this is what I know-
    Serial number 31948xxx (1970)
    movement stamped 751
    also have both 166 032 and 168 023.
    No strap - any suggestions for a new one?
    I was quoted min $250 as much $450 - is that reasonable?
    Again thank you for a great site.

    Sincerely
    rene


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    1. Hi Rene,

      Sounds to me that you have the genuine 168.023. In terms of service, the cost will usually depend on whether parts have to be replaced in the movement and case.

      The minimum is fine for dis-assembling, cleaning, oiling and regulating the watch. The maximum should include a new crown, case back gasket and other parts. I would ask the repairer to keep and return all the old parts.

      So, generally I think 250 to 540 is not unreasonable, especially since Omega in Bienne would probably charge between 900 - 1100 USD for the same watch.

      Regards

      Desmond

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  22. Thank you for responding so fast. I forgot to mention that it is the gold capped version.
    The quote was everything including new original crystal (plastic?) No crown.
    Again thank you.

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  23. Anonymous12:25 am

    Hi desmond, thanks for such informative articles.

    I was recently pleasantly surprised by the fact that i owned one of these watches myself (stainless steel)

    Do you have any idea how much it would sell for now?

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    1. It depends on whether the bracelet is attached and also the condition of the watch. If the finish is intact, and the dial and movement are in good condition, values can be up to 4.5k for the watch head alone.

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    2. BTW that is the 18k version. To gain some idea of the values of stainless styeel it is best to look at completed auctions on internet auction sites

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  24. Anonymous11:59 pm

    Good evening everyone, i am one of the lucky owners of this beauty omega seamaster 166.032 day date in 18 k gold, and wanted to ask to Desmond, what would be the actual price for this watches, and how rare are they? as i have been looking in internet and could not find any information regarding how many of this seamasters where produced.
    Thanks in advance
    George

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    1. Hi George,

      The rarity of this model is well established and confirmed. My essay goes into further detail. Under 1000 of these pieces were produced.

      In respect to valuation, it does depend on condition of dial, case and movement. Generally I think good quality examples wothpout bracelet are worth between 4.5 and 5 k

      cheers

      Desmond

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    2. Anonymous2:14 am

      Thanks for the quick reply, it is in perfect state and if you can give me your email address I could happily send you some photos, also wanted to ask same about stainless steel cased models, are they also rare? and also I have seen same models in 18 gold case but without chronometer, are they original too? what would be the price for this watches?
      Thanks in advance
      George

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    3. Hi George

      Stainless steel and gold capped models are not as plentiful as other non-chronometers, but also not rare. Chronometer Seamasters were specialised models more expensive than other Seamasters.

      Gold cased models without chronometer certification would be the model 166.032 which denotes non-chronometer. The solid gold case back stamped with both 166.032 and 168.023 was designed to be used for the solid 18k block gold case housing the chronometer and the conventionally made case 166.032 for the non-chronometer.

      I would expect a stainless steel example of the 168.023 to be worth in the vicinity of 1200 - 1500 USD

      Cheers

      Desmond

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    4. Anonymous12:03 am

      Hi Desmond, thanks again for quick reply, and all the help, I came across to omega non chronometer version of seamaster in 18k gold case, 166.032. And I am thinking of purchasing. Are they valuable to buy, what would be the actual price for non chronometer versions in 18k gold case?
      Thanks again in advance and wish you all the best for the good work and the help you are providing.
      George

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  25. Price of a Seamaster 166.032 in good condition in 18k would be around gold value plus 300 - 500 USD

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  26. Where can I find a good watch repair shop in Los Angeles California area?

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    1. Dalton Toleda comes recommended. Have a look at the list of repairers in the RH column and click on the link

      Cheers

      Desmond

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  27. I will have a seamaster cal 560 soon, my question is:
    Do I have to wind everyday for it to work or it wind by itself?
    Thank you in advance

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    1. Cal 560 is an automatic calibre and so if you wear the watch regularly it will power itself without winding.

      D

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  28. Anonymous12:20 am

    Hi Desmond, i really need your help with this watch as i could not find any information online, i have this omega cosmic ref 3944 triple dayte moonphase but it has the red numerals, and all the similar watches i found in internet have blue numerals, so could you please help me out, did Omega made this watches with red numerals too,or the dial is not original. for me hands, seconds hand and all the parts look good, but could not find any information regarding red numerals.
    Thanks in advance.
    Luca

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    1. Hi Luca, there were numerous dial configurations, some with blue numerals and some with red numerals. Ive seen a few 2606s with red numerals, although I haven't seen a 3944 like that.

      Best send me some pics. Click on the About Me on the RH column.

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  29. Anonymous5:50 pm

    Hi Desmond, thanks for the quick reply and for all the good work you are doing, I sent you the photos of the watch to the email address shown in your profile, I have not seen too any square cosmic models 3944 with red numerals, so will await your opinion.
    Thanks again it is much appreciated.
    Regards
    Luca

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  30. Anonymous8:58 pm

    Hi Desmond, thanks a lot for the info, i do appreciate much that you finding the time to reply to all of us, in this condition what do you think would be the value of my cosmic 3944 watch, also is there any place i can find the original dial to buy?
    Regards
    Luca

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  31. Very hard to value these pieces Luca particularly with the dial refinished as it is. Perhaps refinishing the dial to the standard in the pic I sent you would make it a better proposition. Dials are no longer available for this model unfortunately.

    The bets option would be to do a search of examples that had sold at auction recently. That will give you some idea.

    Regards

    Desmond

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  32. Anonymous4:09 am

    Hi Desmond,

    I just bought a BA 168.023 Cal.751 (Italian day indication and magnifying loop). I found it at a Swedish watch store, who in turn purchased it in 2015 from a watch maker who serviced it in 2015. It's a real beauty and it's in great condition. Could you guide me in how to best verify its authenticity?

    Best regards,

    Ruud (Copenhagen, Denmark).

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    1. Hi Ruud,

      Feel free to click on 'My Profile' and click through to email.

      I'm happy to look at some pics and take you through the authentication process. Pics of dial, inner case back and movement would be good.

      Cheers

      Desmond

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