A Case Study

One of the ways in which to tell if you have an authentic Constellation on your wrist is to match the case with the other components of the watch.

In this post I review the major design styles of vintage Constellation cases and include a range of pictures that may help you in making more astute evaluations before purchase.

Please click here for a pdf file. The file is quite large

26 comments:

  1. That PDF won't download :(

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  2. Stephen Fredrick11:42 am

    Desmond,

    What do you think about the following Pie pans currently on e bay;


    120073019299

    230078185013

    200068544584

    200069685020

    I can not tell you how much I appreciate your blog as a great resource. I am intersted in collecting a few Connie Pie Pans for personal wear and enjoyment and found you to have confirmed a lot of the suspicions I had about the e bay market for these watches.

    Your comments on the above watches is greatly appreciated to see how you would analyze them from the information provided.

    Steve

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  3. Just a quick response Stephen.

    1.dial original but not enough info to declare watch authentic

    2.Original dial, correct case, correct movement. Movement very dirt and would need some work

    3. Nice clean movment, dial look authentic but bigger pics would tell. correct crown and hands..lokks fine

    4. Redial as stated, clean movement correct hands and case. Wrong crown. Not bad

    Hope thats of use.

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  4. Stephen Fredrick12:58 pm

    Do you have a e mail address I can send photos to you of watch # 1? You can e mail me at fredrickhedge1@aol.com

    Your commentary was most helpful.I think that watch 4 was listed as an original unrestored dial. I caought the easy wrong crown on watch 3.

    Cheers,
    Stephen

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  5. Thanks Stephen. You can email by clicking on 'View my complete profile' and then clicking on email.

    Cheers

    desmond

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  6. Stephen Fredrick7:46 am

    Desmond,

    You do so much for those of us lesser beings trying to learn about and preserve some of these works of art I am hesitant to suggest you do any more.

    I must ask however, if you have ever considered posting a rouges gallery that simply lists clearly fraudulent E bay sellers. A quick reference for Constellation buyers. Such a listing could cause market forces to encourage good faith and fair dealing. I love your case by case reviews you do but a "list of bad guys" could have great impact.

    Just a random thought. Thanks as always.

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  7. Hi Stephen,

    I have thought about it - Having a Hall of Horrors instead of fame and I may do that.

    Problem is that in each instance I must keep evidence to prove what I say about each of these characters....and maybe it would have to stand up in court.

    Problematic, but not insurmountable

    Cheers

    desmond

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  8. Stephen Fredrick11:53 am

    Actually, I suspect you only would need to do that if the vendors were based in Australia. Most are in America and Asia. All you need to do is keep one blatant example of each, disclaimer that it is your personal opinion and just check in on thier offerings periodicly.

    Option two is a master listing and periodicly note auction numbers that show continued patterns of bad faith dealing with the public.

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  9. Thats not such a bad idea at all.

    Might need some help from other blog visitors though in terms of identifying all of them :))

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  10. Anonymous4:03 pm

    Desmond

    Thanks for such a great site, it has helped a novice score a beautiful Pie Pan :)

    Bruce

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  11. Anonymous1:00 pm

    Desmond
    Have you come across a case number 14747-1?
    It is a SS case with screw back and pink gold medallion.
    Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks
    Ward

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    1. Hi Ward, the 14747 isn't in the Omega database, however it is genuine and was the screw-in version of the 2943. Click on the 'about me' button and email me some pics if you like.

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  12. Robert from Canada11:29 am

    Hi.

    My Dad recently left me an Omega Constellation watch. He hadn't worn it for probably 20 years and it doesnt have a strap (although old pictures show it was gold metal.) I set the time and carried in my pocket, and after a day, it is still keeping time. It is a gold cap model that resembles the watch on page 11 of your id guide (case #14381/2) without the name (Turlem??) printed above the Constellation mark. I'm not keen to open the back myself to check the numbers inside, but would like to wear it from time to time. Advice as to whether I should research it further before simply putting on a strap and wearing it around?

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  13. Brighton7:59 pm

    i've just fallen in love with the Constellation series... saw this on ebay... looks quite the real thing...need some expert's help to see if itz a franken..... pls help... =)

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    1. Hi The hands, Brighton, are incorrect for this model. I suspect this is either a cal 1011 or 1001 and I would recommend you not buy it unless you have a good look at the movement.

      If youre just starting out, I would look for a model with good investment potential and with a slow beat movement 18,800 bp minstead of a 28,800 beat per minute 10xx series Constellation.

      My suggestion is that you look for a calibre 751, day date, integrated bracelet model in good condition, pareticularly if you like the chunkier stainless steel models.

      These models (case number 368.0845) are a good buy and they have an excellent movement.

      Cheers

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  14. Anonymous11:13 pm

    my uncle left my dad an old omega watch. Both of us know nothing about watches. What I do know is it is old and belong to constellation collection with stainless steel watchstrap. It shows date and day one the top and it is automatic chronometer officially certified. How can I know more about this watch? Is it worth to keep?

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    1. Hi,

      It woiuld be best if you send a pic to my email address - mondodec@tpg(dot)com.au - make sure you substitute the (dot) for a . - I do it this way simply to avoid a spam bot coming along and appropriating my email address to send out spam .

      Cheers

      Desmond

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  15. Dear Stephen
    waht do you think of this one.
    Real or very good fake?
    http://cgi.ebay.com/18K-WHITE-Gold-Omage-Constellation-PIE-PAN-Watch-564_W0QQitemZ360156160717QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWristwatches?hash=item53dafae2cd&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting
    Thanks and congratulation for your site
    best.
    Philippe

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  16. Hello Desmond,

    Does this connie look real? I really like it, but it's a jungle out there in the connie world.

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/qklq/connie.jpg

    Best regards,

    Nazim

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    1. Hi Nazim

      It does look real, but to fully authenticate it I would need to see closeups so as to confirm the dial is original...but it seems so.

      Regards

      Desmond

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  17. I bought the Omega Pie Pan which in the back cover there isn't serial number. So it is a fake one.
    Thank you

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    1. Maybe, but some French examples do not have the normal stamping either. Also, your case back may have been substituted at some time. So all is not lost until you do a complete examination of the watch.

      Good Luck

      Desmond

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  18. hi desmond,
    if the cap doesnt match the color of the watch is that a problem?

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    1. I'm assuming you are referring to the crown or winder? While not a problem, it's more aesthetically appealing to have the same colour crown.

      Regards

      Desmond

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  19. Desmond I'm in possession of my father's omega watch which was bought for him on his 50th birthday 1963, he wore it every day until his death in 2000. I want to get it restored and intend to give it to my grandson for a wedding present in July 2016, the watch is still in working order. Would you be so kind as to identify the model for me. Regards

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    1. Sure. Happy to. There were a number of different models in 1963, and so if you click on the about me and click through to the email, you'll be able to attach a couple of pictures so I can conifrm the model.

      On the question of restoration, the last place I would send it is to an Omega service centre, who will want to onsend to Bienne for a very expensive and not necessarily sympathetic refurbishment.

      Regards

      Desmond

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