From the advent of the Bretton Woods monetary system in 1944,
and indeed before, some countries required solid gold watch cases to be
manufactured within their borders. France, Argentina, Brazil and the United Kingdom
are amongst a group of countries that restricted the importation and free flow
of gold and required gold cases to be manufactured in-country. It wasn't until
1971 that restrictions on the importation of gold cases were eased, allowing
Swiss watch manufactures to export fully assembled solid gold pieces.
Records of Omega gold cases commissioned in Switzerland are
comprehensive and accessible, however little information is available about ‘national
production’ cases made to order locally for Omega agents in any of the countries
mentioned above, and this has led to some confusion about the authenticity of
locally cased Constellations and other Omega marques.
British Dennison Omegas are a case in point. Superbly
crafted, these cases varied somewhat from the Swiss lines and have a different
numbering system. Fortunately, collector
Andrew Romaine has taken up the challenge to plug the information gap by researching
and documenting the production of British Constellations and other lines. He has produced an essay (here) so as to
share the fruits of his labours, for which we owe Andrew a vote of
thanks!
Hi Desmond,
ReplyDeleteJust sent you a note about my Constallation Chronometer Cal 564 solid 18ct gold BA1685417. Not sure it actually posted. Please advise if you received it.
Regards, Clive
Hi Clive
DeleteThe above message came through, however this is the only one I have seen
Regards
Desmond
Hi Desmond,
ReplyDeleteIn my collection I have a Cal 564 Omega Constellation Chronometer solid 18ct gold case BA168.5417 with self-winding movement no.24782743 on original Omega leather crocodile strap with original Omega 18ct gold buckle. All required Omega "signatures'' are in place including observatory. Additionally, the watch dial, hands and hour batons are 18ct gold too. Hands and hour batons have black onyx insets, at 12 o'clock the baton is as two placed side by side. It has the quickset date configuration. Case I believe was made by Dennisson of England. The watch is in absolute pristine condition, it has no marks or scratches. Only one previous owner who wore it for special occasions only. It keeps perfect time (I have owned it since 2009) and is serviced only by an ex. Omega employee.
Fortunately, I have the former owner's original retailer's receipt dated 27.11.1968 for GB £167.00 and, the International Guarantee with seperate "You and your Omega" booklet both encased in the red Omega wallet plus seperate Omega envelope "CERTIFICATE OF HIGH PRECISION". The owner had an interesting life history. At 20 he joined the Colonial Forces on outbreak WW2, served in the North African Campaign and was seconded later to the British Army. When war ended he was appointed Inspector in the Nyasaland Mounted Police responsible for ceremonial duties. I have various photos including one of him accompanying the late Queen Mother inspecting the honour guard.
I have two questions for you,
1. At the bottom of the dial (below 6 o'clock) are the words "OM SWISS MADE OM". What does OM refer to?
2. What would be today's market retail value of the watch as described above?
Regards, Clive
Hi Clive,
DeleteThe first question is easy to answer. The 168.5417 was the gold dialled version in this series. OM stands for "Or Massif", translated from French to mean the watch has a solid gold dial. This indicates that while Dennison made the case, the movement and dial came from Switzerland.
The second question, not so easy. I am assuming that you have the domed dial version rather than the pie pan? Also, there are three essential value points for any watch apart from 'wholesale': Bricks and Mortar, Global Internet and Insurance Replacement. Papers and the original buckle add value, whereas the non-original wallet doesn't.
All things being equal and the watch being properly described and photographed, I would expect the global internet value, that is the price that could be realised through an on-line global auction (eBay or any other format), to be in the vicinity of 4500 USD.
Dennison cases are most collectible in the UK and perhaps listed on a UK-based watch sales forum it could attract a little more. I hesitate to think what a bricks and mortar outlet in the UK would ask for the watch because there is such variation in pricing often reflecting the avarice of the dealer. Insurance replacement value cited by a UK registered valuer of watches and jewellery would come in at about 9000 pounds.
Cheers
Desmond
Hi Desmond,
ReplyDeleteYes, I have the domed dial version and tear drop lugs. Also, an original Omega document wallet plus original Omega watch fitted box. Sorry if I gave the impression that the wallet was non-original. I note with pleasure the global internet value and insurance replacement value. I paid £900 for the whole package in 1999. An excellent investment.
Very grateful for your expert help. I might yet get to Australia to visit relatives!
Regards, Clive
Hi Desmond,
ReplyDeleteIn my last post waiting for your reply I omitted to say my Cal 564 is "Officially Certified". Was that important for your assessment? Also, is it possible to contact Andrew Romaine?
My reply to your original post Clive is above.
DeleteYes, all chronometers are "officially certified" by Bureau Officiel in Switzerland.
D
The omega constellation ended auction on ebay haven't stamp helvetia or egle or England.
ReplyDeleteDo you think fake or genuine manufacturing in U.S.A not required stamp helvetia???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131509883236
I notice that the case back also does not have the Constellation medallion on the caseback and the case back is actually a press-in instead of a screw-in.
DeleteLittle wonder that the price fetched for this watch is only about gold value, because in having this watch made into a 'jewellery' piece, the person who did it has robbed the watch of its originality.
Regards
Desmond
Dear sir
ReplyDeleteDo you think omega constellation does not have stamp helvetia? I bought from ebay, I think made by manufacturing in U.S.A
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Best Regards
It is difficult to say where this case back was made. Theoretically, no Constellation cases were made in the US, they were all imported from Switzerland.
ReplyDeleteThe only marking that I can see on your case back is the gold purity mark, no Omega triangle, model number, Helvetia or other stamps. Countries that were permitted by Omega to manufacture gold cases were Argentina, Brazil, France, and UK. This case could have been made in South America, but I would still expect to see the case makers mark, such as Industria Brizilia or Argentina.
Regards
Desmond
Dear sir
ReplyDelete1. The OMEGA Constellation made in South America Brazilian or Argentina sold Local products or export other countries?
2.I think on a back cap "IND. BRAS" = INDUSTRIAL BRAZIL.
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Usually not, because Omega would make sure that locally made cases only stayed in country of origin. So cases made in Brazil would not be exported to other countries.
DeleteCheers
Desmond
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI would like to thank Andrew Romaine for sharing his knowledge of British Constellations with the rest of us.
I have a British Constellation and knew nothing about it, now I know a lot, now I know I have a genuine vintage Omega thanks to Andrew.
Many, many thanks ............ Regards, Kevin.
I have a
I second that!
DeleteI Have a gold plated calibre 751 C- shape constellation with solid gold knurled bezel. Model is 168.029. Is it possible to find the original type watch band, believe it was crocodile and brown in appearance
ReplyDeleteThe choice of band was up to both retailers and customers and much swapping occurred at point of sale. Omega bands were available in leather, lizard and crocodile and so there wasn't just one choice. Colours, largely black, tan and brown were the most popular.
DeleteFinding an original band is like looking for a needle in a haystack. They occasionally surface, but I think it's better to source a band of your choice and then trawl for an original Omega branded buckle to match.
Cheers
Desmond