This list of calibres has been compiled from updated paper records from Omega Museum. These are the same records, but amended and upgraded, that were the main source for Marco Richon's Omega Saga.
I have also sourced information from the Omega database, a number of major publications and in many pleasant exchanges Ive enjoyed with Connie afficionados over time.
Secondly I have included an excellent upgraded table of serial numbers produced by Ryan Rooney, to whom I add my thanks.
Please click here for a pdf file. If you have information to add, subtract or amend, I'd love to hear
from you.
Desmond,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the comment on "that forum" as my skills at online debate are rather lacking and one individual seems to relish belittling anyone who has an opposing opinion or disagreement.
This new document has been printed out and is my new reference piece as I continue to learn about and expand my Connie collection.
As always, CHEERS!
Stephen Fredrick
Yes, someone emailed me and said that I was being accused of 'stealing' content when I properly referenced it and acknowledged the sources.
ReplyDeleteThat forum seems to be dominated by said individual who, if not displaying god-like qualities, would certainly qualify to be a member of the minor deity :)
Thanks Stephen for your kind words
Congratulations for your extensive reviews on Omega watches. Having gone through some of your articles, particularly this one, I was surprised not seing mentioned calibre 564 for Constellations.
ReplyDeleteI do own a Constellation from 1965, reference 168.009, calibre 565.
After reading your article, I took it to OMEGA (I live in geneva, Switzerland) and they eturned me a few days later with a certificate of full conformity and authenticity.
Do you have any explanation for that?
Thanks and regards
Tom
Hi Tom, you mention cal 564 in your first paragraph and cal 565 in the second, and so I am not sure which you are referring to.
ReplyDeleteCal 564 was definitely a Constellation calibre, however cal 565 was not. I can find no official record from Omega that shows cal 565 was a Constellation caliber in a 168.009. Cal 565 was a non chronometer movement.
Regards
Desmond
I am sorry for the confusion. I meant cal 565 in both paragraphs.
ReplyDeleteI brought it personally to Omega and they confirmed me (I have a letter from them) it is authentic. They told me some of the Constellations C have been manufactured with caliber 565... but at the same time, that isn't mentioned in the museum's records online?!
I am perplex with this. What do you think about it? (I can mail you a copy of their letter if you which. Just send me your PM).
Best regards
range Tom, because in the OMega record of calibres titles "Nomenclature des calibres Omega de 1894 à aujourd'hui" the calibre 565 is not noted as a chronometer and is noted as a calibre that powered Seamasters and Geneves.
ReplyDeleteQuestion is, was it the local Omega people who say this or the museum staff?
Yes, please feel free to send me a copy of the letter. Just click on 'about me' and then 'email'
Cheers
desmond
I have a question sir, regarding a dog-leg lug piepan gold capped on stainless steel constellation automatic chronometer officially certified watch that I bought from my local store. Its a 511 and the serial no. is 21219752. According to your source that I read, 511 was made between 1959 to 1962.But the serial no. should be around 1964 to 1966. Please enlighten me sir.
ReplyDeleteHmm
ReplyDeleteI wonder if you are referring to the calibre 551 which appeared in case 167.005? Cal 511 did not power Constellations.
Cal 551 was produced up until 1969. Your 21 million serial movement dates the watch to around 1964
Cheers
desmond
Sorry sir, you are right, its a 551, but the dial did not passed the MOY test; not aligned. I paid around 1350 USD for this gold cap.The dial is gold in color but instead of onyx on the bar, it was repainted black, what a shame. Did I paid a high price for this piepan goldcap?
ReplyDeleteI'll take a look at the watch if you can send me some good quality pictures. Just click on the about me tab on the rh column of this blog and then click on the email.
ReplyDeletePictures will allow me to tell you exactly what the story is with the dial
Cheers
desmond
Hello sir, at last I get to send you the photos of my watch for you to access.My watch is a cal 551 serial no 21211758. I paid for about 1350USD Is it expensive and is the cover genuine or fake? The dial is repainted without the stone on the markers i guess, please enlighten me and thank you sir , I remain Chai....
ReplyDeleteyes, please click on the 'about me' section of the blog and then click email. You can then attach pictures to your email
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desmond
Hi Sir, could you tell me the price range of cal 561 & cal 564 pie-pan solid gold, thank you sir....Chai
ReplyDeletePrices vary according to condition. For example prices for an 18 karat gold pie pan model ref 168.005 would vary from between 2200USD to 3200USD according to the originality and condition of the watch.
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Desmond
Hi sir, my name is Chai. I have send you the photos of my watch cal 551, serial no 21211758 through email again. Can you please access my watch if you have receive my photos. Sorry I'm not good at computers that's why I can only send the photos through your email, thank you....Chai
ReplyDeleteHi Chai
ReplyDeleteI have not received an email from you. I have checked also my spam and there is nothing.
Regards
Desmond
I have a Constellation "C". Serial 33482724, case ST168.017. The movement on this watch is also 565. I purchased it from it's original owner in 1978. It may be that he had work done to it before selling it to me. But, I don't think so.
ReplyDeleteHi Steve,
Delete33 mill. serial dates the watch to around 1971 and I think this watch should be powered by the quickset calibre 564.
Cal 565 was never designated for C Shapes as it was a non-chronometer, albeit superb, movement. I suspect either a straight swap at some time in its life or a replacement of the train bridge. Does the rotor bridge have "Adjusted to five (5) positions and temperature"? If so the latter explanation may be the more accurate.
Regards
Desmond
Thanks for your quick reply. First, I apologize, the second digit of the serial is 4 not 3. Also, There is nothing engraved on the bridge other than "TWENTY-FOUR" and beneath it "24 JEWELS".
ReplyDeleteThanks again
Steve
Yes, Steve, the Connie should have the adjusted script and so the rotor bridge may have been replaced.
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Desmond
Thanks again. My wife reminded me that I had the watch serviced by Omega right about 1990. (She remembered they sent it back in a really nice box.) So, I suppose they needed to replace the part. Altogether, I put out about $125 for the watch, the repair and an Omega strap. Replaced parts notwithstanding, it's a nice looking piece.
ReplyDeleteHi Desmond
ReplyDeleteI noticed this article in scribd:
https://es.scribd.com/document/302213266/Omega-550-700-Calibers-Overview
Just in case other than you did hung that there.
Cheers,
Álvaro
Hello Desmond!
ReplyDeleteI have unfortunately noticed that the link to calibres is down, page cannot be reached. Could you please look into it? Otherwise i can send you an email in order to get these valuable info you've made available to all of us, for which a thank you will never be enough.
Thanks in advance
Lorenzo
Thanks for letting me know Lorenzo
DeleteI have fixed the broken link and the information is again available
Cheers
Desmond
Hello Desmond,
ReplyDeleteIs it possible by any chance, that a gold case ref 2852/3 would be powered by a bumper 354?
The short answer is no. It must be powered by a cal 501 or 505 to be genuine.
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desmond
thanks so much Desmond
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