One query that has cropped up in watch fora regularly over the years is that of the presence of the number 1 inside the Omega logo on the train bridge of many mid-500 series Omega calibres. Having emerged again on the Watchuneed forum, I am prompted to preserve for posterity the latest consensus on what that pesky little number means
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Dear Mr. Guilfoyle,
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised the meaning of those numbers are still a mystery, especially while every Omega repairer should know what they indicate. Calibers having a number in the Omega logo are prepaired for both flat and domed dials: 1 for (almost) flat, 2 for domed and 3 for high domed dials. For ordering parts carrying the hour, minute or second hand you need to indicate this number, otherwise you risk to receive replacements which are too short or too long.
Upgrades of Omega calibers are indicated by a code starting with a 'T' and followed by a digit 1, 2 or 3.
Best regards,
Robbert H. A. ter Heide
Maarssen, The Netherlands
Hi Robert, and thanks for your comments.
ReplyDeleteI am aware that on earlier Omegas (at least in the 1950s) the numbers do indeed indicate the need to consider the height of the dial when ordering parts. I have seen reference to 1,2 and 3 on parts bulletins.
However with Constellations, for example, with calibre 354 where both domed dials and pie pans were used there is no number stamped on the movement. Also for cal 561, for example, there does not appear any consistency that I can see with domed or pie pan dials - some domed dial original models had the number 1 stamped while others have not, and some piepans have while others have not.
Perhaps we can continue this conversation by email - as I am very keen to get to the bottom of this issue.
Click on the about me and you will see an email click through.
Regards
Desmond
Another thing I noticed is the little circle stamped on the rotor at some movements. As I could observe from studying photos of different movements, it seems that most 564 calibers do have circles wile 561s do not. I found also exceptions possibly because of changing the rotor in time. I also found pictures of some rotors more crude, without the beveling on the edges, but I tend to think those are non original parts installed later. I couldn't find a rule for calibers 551 and 751 however.
ReplyDeleteAnother interesting detail I observed in at the end of the swan neck spring at the regulator. At some movements there is a rounded end and at others the end is simple. I couldn't find a rule for this.
By the way, thank you for your very informative site!
Regards,
Mihai
Excellent observations Mihai.
DeleteYes, one explanation I heard was that the O indicated original factory rotor and not a replacement but that didnt make much sense overall.
Change of some design aspects of the swan neck were cosmetic and came in later movements I believe.
Very interesting little details
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Regards
Desmond
Maybe after issuing the 564 they decided that the O should appear to indicate originality. I saw several 561 and 564 movement pictures and the exceptions where when there were also other color variations between the rotor and the other parts and this explains them by being changed later.
ReplyDeleteMihai
Definitely a possible explanation worth following up
DeleteMany thanks
Desmond
Was cal 561 used in the Constellation or only the earlier cal 551?
ReplyDeleteCal 561 was a chronometer grade movement as was calibre 551 and both were used in Constellations. These calibres are virtually identical, save the calibre 561 has a date mechanism, and they were both produced from 1959
DeleteCheers
Desmond
greetings..!
ReplyDeletei have an omega constellation chronometer with a 562 caliber with a number one etch inside the omega logo..
at the back case, it says inside the omega watch company, Fab suisse
swiss made.. tben below it, 18k 0.750.
then below it is 61, and below is 14381 2 and below it appears to be a key, with no.4 inside folled by SC.
it also seems to have a triangular stamp to shape like a head facing 0.750 mark. now i am wondering the dial says omega automatic chronometer constellation, but i can't seen to find a 562 fitted in the case with this kind of case.. will u please enlighten me about my watch.
Respectfully,
Vaughn
Hi Vaughn,
DeleteI need to ask a couple of questions before I can accurately answer your question.
Does the bridge from which the rotor turns have "Adjusted to 5 (five) positions and temperature" stamped on it?
Secondly, is your watch a date mode or without date?
Answers to these questions will allow you to determine if the movement has been tampered with.
The model 14381 should be powered by a calibre 551. What I suspect has happened to your watch is that the train bridge, which carries the movement identification and serial number, has been swapped out owing the damage or wear to the jewels.
If the above is the case, then you have what collectors call a frankenwatch, a watch that has lost some of its original signature parts. Unfortunately the value is severely compromise by this
Regards
Desmond
hello sir!
ReplyDeletethe watch is a date mode sir .
and
it doesn't have the "Adjusted to 5 (five) positions and temperature" sir..
^_^
Ah. Well what we are seeing here is a movement swap. An non-chronometer calibre 562 has been placed in a case that should house a calibre 551 chronometer movement.
DeleteThe cal 562 is probably from a Seamaster or Geneve. Thus the watch is only worth gold value, sadly.
Regards
Desmond