One of the joys of hosting this blog is the correspondence I receive from owners and collectors around the world. And the biggest thrill of all is when someone shares information on an Omega Ive never seen before or heard of.
Click here for an essay on one of the most unusual and uncommon Seamaster De Villes Ive ever encountered - a limited production exhibition case back model that was produced around the same time as the U.S. Seamaster De Ville monocoques.
The essay is best read in conjunction with another essay I wrote on calibre 560 Seamaster rarities.
My sincere thanks to Richard for taking the pics of his special De Ville
Enjoy!
Wyler was using display backs in the late 50s. My very first watch in 1960 was a display back Wyler. I have recently acquired another one, still ticking away after almost fifty years. Omega was not the only producer of fine watches at that time.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure how to "blog" so bear with me. I just recently came across your comments on the Omega automatic Seamaster DeVille with a clear back. I am curious when these comments were made. I was given an Omega automatic Seamaster DeVille with a clear back by my parents for my high school graduation in 1967. It still runs great. How can I find out if it has any value?
DeleteThe article was written some years back, but what was said stands. They are quite an uncommon watch. Value depends on condition, the most pristine attracting a premium.
DeleteAverage condition examples may fetch up to $1200 - 1400 on the open market.
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Desmond
Thanks John for your comment.
ReplyDeleteAgreed that they were some excellent manfucatures in the 50s and 60s.
Love to see a pic of your watch.
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Desmond
Excellent articles Desmond. Thank you for sharing this with us...
ReplyDeleteSuper interesting post! I bought a pristine example of one of these 5 yrs ago at a local auction (Omaha, NE, USA) and I've always wondered what to make of it....I figured something would eventually turn up on it. Mine appears to be identical in every way except that it has markers all the way around, no numbers. To your knowledge have any more of these turned up?
ReplyDeletegood idea to send me a pic and I'll take a look. reverse side too if you like. Just click on the email click through in the about me section.
ReplyDeleteCheers
Desmond
Good lord, how amazing to find this post. Briefly I purchased some OMEGA autos about 1999 from the US. I am in New Zealand. At the same time I purchased an awesome Constellation PiePan - so the first watches were relegated to the desk draw. Recently, I retreved them and sold the "Gold" one locally for a very reasonable price, just wanting to find it a good home. The buyer returned the watch for a refund, because it was not suitable for him. So I decided to take a closer look at the watch. It is a 560 movement, which I didn't recognize so I "googled" and found your article.
ReplyDeleteMine is the "generic" kind with stainless steel screwback, with the words "10KGF bezel". The face is different than those mentioned in your article however. I will try to email pictures for your interest.
Yes please do, and if you have a pic of the inner case back, love to see that too.
ReplyDeleteYou can email me by clicking on the About Me icon on the RH column.
Cheers and thanks for your post.
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Desmond
Hey Desmond:
ReplyDeleteI've picked up one of these 560 display back prototypes in really good nick. I'll take some photos and send them to you as soon as I can. Briefly - frosted dial, Seamaster DeVille, numbers at 12, 6 and 9. 560 movement serial 21277844
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Paul
Great!
ReplyDeleteLove to see the pics.
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desmond
Hi Desmond,
ReplyDeleteAs I was doing some research on my Seamaster with cal.560 I found your essay.
Thanks for publishing as it was very informative.
If you are still working on this research project you can find the photos of my Seamaster via this link https://plus.google.com/photos/118322875512576170557/albums/5728699805080210177?authkey=CNTn_f2P2PLQkgE
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Hans
Hi, I have watch identical to yours, but with silver background. I need to replace cannon pinion, but repair shop could not determine which part is needed. Apparently 560 movement had 3 sizes of cannon pinions part 1218, 1219 (H1) and 1220 (H2). I hope you can help. Cheers
DeleteYes, the size on the Cannon pinion depends on the height of the dial, but usually it's either the 1219 or the H1. Normally the model number of the watch will suffice in terms of ordering the correct one, but as these are American cases this doesn't work.
DeleteIs there a "1" inside the Omega logo where the calibre number is stamped on the movement? If so it would be H1. If not, it should be the 1219.
It could be an issue of trial and error, although another signal is whether the watch has a high domed dial. If high domed, it will probably be an H1
Hope that helps
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Desmond
Sorry I meant to say 1218 as the other option.
DeleteThank you for your response. This helps. I found an article about this caliber that shows excerpt from a book describing all 560 caliber models (Omega book: “OMEGA - A JOURNEY THROUGH TIME”). This model is actually one of the 2 that were Swiss build, and the only one with screw in back cover. All other are unibodies. 14 models in total from 1963 till 1967. Link to article: http://www.watchprosite.com/page-wf.forumpost/fi-677/ti-573541/pi-3558246/
DeleteYes, I've seen that article written by Hans. He did a good job. He based it on my essays and other sources. AJTT, the book, isn't much help, hence the efforts to put information in the public domain.
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Desmond
Where can I find a value for the Seamaster Kleerback? All my searching has not turned up one value. A friend of mine has one that his uncle gave him many years ago. He did not know how rare it was until I told him. Any thoughts? It runs. Needs cleaning/service. In nice shape.
ReplyDeleteThanks,
The reason why values are hard to establish is because few Kleerbacks have sold on the open market in quite a few years. The last one to sell on eBay, from memory, sold for around 1200 USD, but that was in very good condition - sharp case, excellent dial.
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Desmond
I just bought a "kleerback". How do we know if it's one of the rarer, original models? Is there a serial number list? Or, a way to tell?
ReplyDeleteThis one is adjusted 2 positions, has a 21 million serial.
all kleerbacks are uncommon, because they didnt seem to take off, given the extra money that was being charged for them.
DeleteImport thing is for the dial to be original and the case to be sharp.
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Desmond
Desmond,
ReplyDeleteWe recently discovered my Grandfather's Seamaster. From comparing photographs on the Omega website I think it is 1948 or 1947 vintage. It still works so I have put it into the local dealer for service. they have suggested returning it to Omega for refurbishment. Do you have any advice on the extent of refurbishment I should allow?
Thanks
Ian
Hi Ian,
DeleteTake some pics of the watch and attach them to an email to me. My email address is found by clicking on the about me (rh column) and then clicking through to email.
I would be very wary about sending the watch to Omega in Bienne. IT will be very expensive and maybe not as sympathetic to the original as you would desire. Basically Omega refurbishes rather than restores vintage pieces.
I'll be able to advise you better with soe pics. If you can get some of the movement and inner case back that would be ideal.
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Desmond
I bought it 15 years a go Omega Constellation Ref # 167 005.
ReplyDeleteCal 560 serial # 23870238 Is it the original?
The calibre number for a 167.005 should be calibre 551
DeleteAwesome to find this! I have an Omega Seamaster Deville with 560 calibre but only the face and movement (that works). It has no numbers, only numerals. Has this variety been acknowledged yet?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what you mean as numerals and numbers mean the same thing :) I suspect you mean that the dial has no applied numerals only markers?
DeleteWould need to see a pic. If you mean there is no watch case, then you have a major search on to find another
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Desmond